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Old 02-02-2018, 08:04 AM   #21
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Re: Important: Iran and Russia Closer to Su-30 Deal

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I remember and that is fine by me, and I see what you are saying. Just because you have been critical of the USA or the Shah does not make you pro IR. I will share a personal story, a few years ago I discovered I am part Russian on my moms side(and German). I took the time to learn the language and understand a new culture and that helped me remove my prejudice. Just because I love Russia does not mean that I am a traitor, Communist or anti American.
well said, Sherwin jan, actually lt of people often misunderstand the difference between blind nationalism and a true patriotism... A blind Nationalist disrespect others and belive his nation or culture to be superior..such idea often ends up to faschism and racism... A true Patriot enjoy his culture and is proud of his cultre and heritage and is ready to defend his homeland against agressions but at same time he respects other cultures and nations and wants o live in peace and respect with others... a true Patriot wouldnt blindly follow orders just because there are orders from top, he would always put moral and ethic first... That's why someone like Muhammed Ali was a better Patriot by refusing to join the army and going to Vietnam, cuz he knew that war was wrong and would just cause the death of lot of Vietname and americans.... while those who called him a traitor were responsible for lot of war crimes and lot of blood on both sides... people like Bush or Nixon were real "anti americans" cuz they made lot of Young american soldiers and ot of inocent vietnames, iraqi, etc die just to make few owners of some companies richer!!!That's why I have a big respect for people like Muhammed Ali or Snowden who were ready to give up lot of big Privilegs like money or world champion titles or a good job for real values like respect, honesty, Fairness



I also have big respects for those who fight against a big force for the rights of the weak ones, for those without voices




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I served my country, for those who would like to criticize, if you feel that strongly, put your money where your mouth is and join the armed forces. There are those who just talk and there are those who do something about it. I know exactly where you are coming from and I will support you. If anyone gives you or anyone a hard time for a difference of opinion, you know me I cannot stay silent. No matter what your political or religious beliefs are, like you said, we need to think about the long run. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Yemen are visible threats, that are all near by us.
I think joining the Military services is a personal decision... But my moto was always in a Military service I would always be ready to defend the homeland against agresssions but I would always refuse any order to join a force which attack other nations... that's why if I would be a citizen of USA (I would never agree to serve outside US-border, since almost all US-Military forces outside USA are involved in some form of agression).

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When you attack someone, you are fighting a losing battle. If you lose, you go home but if they lose, they lose their country. Take a look at big USA and Russia, what happened when they went into Afghanistan? They got their rear ends handed to them, same thing when USA went to Vietnam. Also, same thing when Napoleon and Hitler decided it was a brilliant idea to attack Mother Russia on her own soil. Never underestimate the will of your enemy, if you do that, you already lost.
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Old 02-02-2018, 11:21 AM   #22
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pouya jan.. it is not a domestic political issue, we just talk about differences between patriotism, nationalism and values.... And I don't think Muhammed Ali would be observed as a Person, who has anything to do with domestic politics of IRAN.... I just brought him as an example of someone who stand for his believes and not just follow money and fame
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LOOL I think Pouya was just joking about it!
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LOOL I think Pouya was just joking about it!
That is the vibe I got from Pooya82 as well Ali Europe jan, I think he was just joking. Actually, most of our conversation was around discussing military strategy, differences between USA, Russia and Iran's military. We both agree that Iran does not have the same resources as the big boys USA, Russia, even China and should focus on military defense ie SAM's, sonar, radar, air defenses, beef up the navy. We also discussed Iran's topography how we are not KSA or Kuwait we have a mountainous region, which can be to our advantage, on the ground and also to invade.

Finally, we discussed that stealth does not make your planes undetectable, it makes it so that radar ca't detect it and it is very expensive plus overrated. We also agreed that because you do not believe in a certain political ideology or support an individual, that does not make one an anti Iranian. Since people here know that I have family in both countries mentioned in the title and was a US Naval Officer, I was chiming in, sharing my thoughts and experiences.
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