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bsedighi 12-30-2017 10:06 PM

Re: Important: Iran and Russia Closer to Su-30 Deal
 
اقاى على عزيز
مشكل ايران امريكا انگليس و اين و ان نيست. مشكل تنبللى بى عرضگى مظلوم پسندى چاپلوسى اين مردم است. مردم ما خرافاتى و معتاد به خرافات و معتاد به هزار نوع مواد مخدره هستند. اين مردم محتاج هستند معلم داشته باشند محتاج پدر مادر هايى با شرافت و با علم هستند. اقاى محترم از چه ما ميخواهيم دفاع بكنيم ؟ نفت؟ ايكاش نفت نداشتيم اما يك ذره همت داشتيم.
شوروى با ايران قرارداد جمع و دفن زباله هاى اتمى دارد كه عملا ترتيب جد و ابادمان را ميدهد ايا داشتن انرژى اتمى برا ايرانى كه بسيارى ديگر منابع بدون درد سر تر دارد جايز است؟ نه اقا. جاى تعريف نيست اما در مساثل مربوط به انرژى بطور عام و برق و خورشيدى
ايا با دو تا جنگنده كه از شوروى بخريم جلوى انگليس و امريكا ميتوانيم بايستيم. The utopian mentality is far from reality though in a democratic society there is no issue with having such dreams, howeve it is premature. Have been to Russia years ago, and there was no true happiness Ali agha.
لطفا توجه كنيد:
وقتى حقيقت را نتوانى بگويى
ازادى حقيقت نيست

بايد اينكه ما مظلوم واقع شديم و در نتيجه ما را چاپيدند و نگذاشتندوو را كنار گذاشت و با قدرت قدرت علم تحصيلات جلو رفت شرف داشت. مطمن باشيد امريكا حق سوثد فنلاند وو را نميتواند بخورد و موشكى هم نه دارند نه ميخواهد بخرند اما روشنفكر تا بخواهيد دارند و اين مهم ترين اسلحه است
اسلحه دانش اسلحه علم
When our system infrastructure is aged beyond repairs (electrical grid is unsafe and not functional 40% of the time) our wetlands have disappeared, lack of proper water saving measures has led our resources dangerously low where it is estimated we would be facing drinking water shortage within 10 years and irrigation sooner- we should be thinking seriously about our future and what we need to focus on.

Ali_Europe 01-04-2018 01:49 PM

Re: Important: Iran and Russia Closer to Su-30 Deal
 
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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
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مشكل ايران امريكا انگليس و اين و ان نيست
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I disagree... in our entire history of the last 100 years foreign powers like USA and England HAVE changed again and again the direction of our development.. without Operation Ajax in 1953 Iran would be a Democracy 23 years before Spain.. in a way IRI, Revolution etc are all results or reactions to change of natural Evolution of our country by foreign powers.. and USA and UK still Keep destabilizing the Region... just since 1990's we had several foreign invasions, CIA false flag etc... and today middle east is a huge mess

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
. مشكل تنبللى بى عرضگى مظلوم پسندى چاپلوسى اين مردم است. مردم ما خرافاتى و معتاد به خرافات و معتاد به هزار نوع مواد مخدره هستند. اين مردم محتاج هستند معلم داشته باشند محتاج پدر مادر هايى با شرافت و با علم هستند. اقاى محترم از چه ما ميخواهيم دفاع بكنيم ؟ نفت؟ ايكاش نفت نداشتيم اما يك ذره همت داشتيم.
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let analyze the facts..culture of chaploosi or mozakrafat is a direct result of lack of education ... which is caused by lack of wealth and Democracy! who has again and again prevented Democracy to grow in third wold? who again and again caused Regime changes..who were responsible for destroying democracy in Chile 1973, Iran in 1953, I can bring you o many examples from south america, africa and middle east, how foreign powers prevent the wealth of those nations to be used for the local people..middle east is today probally in worst situation, cuz USA and some of their allies are afraid of grows of new global players like China, Russia or Brics countries, so USA and some western nstions want to keep the control over strategical energy recourses in middle east to be able to put pressure on potential new powers... ..middle east is since Lawrence of Arabia suffering year by year more under foreign interventions and as you see again and again foreign powers (specially USA and UK) are the major reason of backwardness in our region..calling the foreign powers as the root of problems of course doesn't mean that I would justify local dictators...

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
شوروى با ايران قرارداد جمع و دفن زباله هاى اتمى دارد كه عملا ترتيب جد و ابادمان را ميدهد ايا داشتن انرژى اتمى برا ايرانى كه بسيارى ديگر منابع بدون درد سر تر دارد جايز است؟ نه اقا. جاى تعريف نيست اما در مساثل مربوط به انرژى بطور عام و برق و خورشيدى
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Iran Needs all possible technologies.. I'm also not a big fan of nuclear reactors, but I think it is important for IRAN to have acces to the Technology and have the know how ...once you have the know how than you can decide if you want build more reactors or you prefer more solar powerplants... I even think Iran should in future, maybe in time after IRI, even keep the idea of possesing WMD's alive as long countries like Pakistan or Israel have nuclear weapons... you can't disarm all people around yourself and than walk around as the only person with machine guns and RPG7

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
ايا با دو تا جنگنده كه از شوروى بخريم جلوى انگليس و امريكا ميتوانيم بايستي.
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I nevere said just pay and buy...I said sign contracts to produce russian or chinese fighter jets inside IRAN...And yes with some 300-350 modern fighter jets in combination with big number of SAMs and radars on the ground you can make it very hard for any agressor to attack IRAN... If an agressor like USA or Israel would know that attacking IRAN by air might cause them losing 150-200 fighter jets, you can be 100% sure that atack wouldn't at all happen...Vietnamese airforce and airdefence shot down huge number of US-planes (with smart using of Russian SAMS and a small number of jets) remind you, back then Vietnam was't even able to produce weapns... Iran today produces lot of different types of weapons..a defending force has some Advantages, since the air battle would happen over your own territory and terrain, while the enemy has to fly long distance over your ground with fuel limitation and facing SAMS,radars and jets... Iran made good Progress in improving SAMs but in aviation Technology IRAN is far behind, so in this sector Investment and license production of Russian or Chinese fighter jets could be a starting point to create an iranian aviation and aerospace industry

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
The utopian mentality is far from reality though in a democratic society there is no issue with having such dreams, howeve it is premature. Have been to Russia years ago, and there was no true happiness Ali agha.
لطفا توجه كنيد:
وقتى حقيقت را نتوانى بگويى
ازادى حقيقت نيست.

Democracy can only survive if stability and sovereignty are already there... Else foreign powers can easiely destroy the Democracy... just look around the world,.. Chile had in 1973 a democratic government, which was easiely removed by CIA.... after fall of soviet unions, CIA took Advantage of weakness of Russia, lot of Dollars been spent on destabilizing Russia and Caucasus... Russia was about to fall apart... Look at so many other countries in third world... if you aren't strong, united, stable and Independent there would be no chance for Democracy to be Born... a plant can't grow in desert....

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
بايد اينكه ما مظلوم واقع شديم و در نتيجه ما را چاپيدند و نگذاشتندوو را كنار گذاشت و با قدرت قدرت علم تحصيلات جلو رفت شرف داشت. مطمن باشيد امريكا حق سوثد فنلاند وو را نميتواند بخورد و موشكى هم نه دارند نه ميخواهد بخرند اما روشنفكر تا بخواهيد دارند و اين مهم ترين اسلحه است
اسلحه دانش اسلحه علم .

several european nations themselves were colonialists or have benefit from colonialism...but USA is the dominant power and Europeans often had to shot up and Keep silence... And one major reason that Europe isn't under pressure like middle east ist because unlike middle east there are no strategical ground natural resources in europe... But because of natural resources like oil, natural gas, gold etc countries in middle east and Africa will again and again under US-interventions...And by the way, even in european Democracies US-Force is often dominating..try to write an article in a newspaper in Gemany, Sweden or Finnland and criticize Israel, often it would been censored... Didn't you see how easiely USA forced the democratic Switzerland to give up their bank secert and even pay huge penalties to USA... majority of Germans are against US-troops and bases in Germany, can they vote against that?

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Originally Posted by bsedighi (Post 481160)
When our system infrastructure is aged beyond repairs (electrical grid is unsafe and not functional 40% of the time) our wetlands have disappeared, lack of proper water saving measures has led our resources dangerously low where it is estimated we would be facing drinking water shortage within 10 years and irrigation sooner- we should be thinking seriously about our future and what we need to focus on.

domestic defence industry or a strong amry wouldn't stop IRAN from having functional infrastructure... lack of Democracy and corruption inside and sanctions from outside are the main reasons for those negative trends... so if you want more money for infrastructure and education than you have to fight against corruption,dictatorship and sanctions, but please don't join those forces, which wish to weaken our armed forces and defence industry.. when it Comes to defence industry and armed forces it is not a political or ideological question...for long therm strategical interessts of IRAN as an Independent sovereign nation stability and strong defence capabilities are a must....


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