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dashali 02-17-2006 01:01 AM

New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
It's a shame...
I understand that more people are trying to support this coach and TM...
but we, fans, need also make some noises ...
IFF and TM coaches need to hear this,,,,
this TM and these names that are invited....are not representing IRAN... :gun:

The list is...as usuall....
weak players on the list again and again...

tell me this....
when was the last time you saw MIRZAPOUR playing?

when was the last time you saw NOSRATI play a decent game?

when was the last time you saw SATTAR ZARE play well?

You might say....well TV does not show it unless it's against PP or SS...well, OK....true....but did you see a good game from them?
Just today, SATTAR ZARE was played by a kid...NAME... MOHAMMAD PARVIN. Mohammad Parvin made this guy to look like an a s s....last time was the same...against SS was the same...SATAR ZARE is not a TM calieber player... yet he gets the invitation :gun:

IMAN MOBALI, best player of IPL last year.....we all know why he was cut... yet the whole IRAN can see....we need to put stop to this MAFIA....

time is now
time is now to cut the hand of MAFIA soccer out of our TM...
I am surprised that people like Mr.ZAHAB and other reporters are not focusing on this? :cry:
we made signatures for ladies to go to AZADI STADIUM....but we totally forget about a great player be kept out of TM because of some people's connections????/ what a shame... :verymad:

This TM is nothing but a joke :verymad:
This TM has no plan :verymad:
TM has no objection :verymad:
no goals :verymad:
nothing....
and you can feel it from the list that our coach give it to us....
this is not a SCHINDLER's LIST...this is a death list...in ye liste ke faghat baraye ma abero riezie be bar mieyareh....
if we don't go with all of our best players....we better just stay home and watch the games....
we do not want be punching bag for other teams....

don't be fool by seeing some new names on the list...eventually the same players will be there...
just think for a second....
these 2 games could be a great show for another goalie!!!!
why can't we just use TALEBLOU.....VAEZI...ROODBARIEYAN....
why do we have to invite MIRZA DERAZ AGAIN AND AGAIN....????
he has not been on the field for a while....and these 2 games can be good for us to see another goalie....
hey, keep the deraz in goal....but at least try and give a chance to other goalies as well.....

I just hope with a pressure from media and YOU, fans....players like MOBALI get back to TM....and players like TALEBLOU get a chance to play for IRANIAN NATIONAL TEAM.....

IRANETEHHHHHHHHHH :irani:

Sina 02-17-2006 01:31 AM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
Thanks Dashali for the post

I also dont understand why Sattare Zare who does play midfield was chosen over Mobali or others in IPL. Bargh has been nothing short of terrible this season when it has come to offense and they have not had much to say defensively either.

About Mirzapour, I also do agree that we need more depth in his position. Honestly, IMO Taleblu has done more this season for his team than Mirzapour for Foolad. When Esteghlal is the number one team in the country when it comes to least number of goals scored on, then Taleblu must be given the opportunity to play in Teame Melli.

My suggestion is to make Taleblou the goalie of Iran vs Costa Rica match for half the game and make him be the goalie for the entire match against Chinese Taipei.

I would also like to see Branko giving RajabZadeh, Borhani, Jabbari, and Madanchi some playing time in both of these games. If we were to approach this wisely then we could change our formations entirely from one half to the other in both upcomming games. Give everyone a chance to shine and make their case.

We should not be afraid of losing in these games. I would be much happier if we gave all the players an oppotunity and we lost rather we won by a narrow margin without all players on the pitch. This is a make or break for many of these young folks Branko, consider all of them please.

There should be a tremendous push to get Mobali back to Teame Melli. I dont know how that would be possible but we need a big push...

Kaz 02-17-2006 01:47 AM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
Well Dashali jaan, are you sure? I mean we're being ushered into the "it's too late era" and we must SUPPORT this joke we call a coach. :rolleyes:

We need a big push as aforesaid and we need it now. If Arie Haan can be contracted to Perspolis you can bet your shirin polo that TM can as well. The IFF are complacent for a reason and if no one puts pressure on this entity they will have no reason to push for the better. I really don't care how it's done, Branko has gone to his country and while there said that Nuclear energy is Iran's right and favoured the move as a political strategy to stay on the team. If anyone, Iranian or foreign want to become coach they must appeal to the people in power. Because I do not see Dadkaan having to answer to anybody and the persons who can force change are in government. Since the government couldn't care less about the issue, the argument/altnerative must be given in a light in which they will care.

fakhfour 02-17-2006 09:18 AM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
If we are talking about the list, we should be fair: Show the weak points of this list; show also the good choices and come with propositions.

Dashali jaan, insulting Mirzapour is not a solution and it's not decent for deep discussions forum; that was a remark about your post.

About the list, the guys you mention are all members of the TM that qualified us for the World Cup. That doesn't mean they are the bests, they just have more experience. You can not wash away the fix players of TM. You improve a team by injecting new blood and adding competition. Then you choose the best (I donít say Branco will choose the best, but the invitation is based on logic).

You have not been fair, because you did not mention the new players who have been invited, the two goalkeepers (Taleblou and Roudbarian, the bests of the IPL); you didn't mention Kazemian, Borhani and Khatibi...

If you want to criticise in a constructive way, you need to see both positive and negative points.

IMHO, only Mobali is missing, and I don't even know anything about his last games in UE. Could you please name the players who deserve to be there and have not been invited?

I am optimistic about the list. I would like to see how Branco will use these players in the future games, if he gives them a chance to show and if they show that they deserve it (not like Ansarian who is punished by Haan just after his invitation to TM!). I think about Kazemian, Khatibi, Borhani, Akbarpour, Ö who deserved their places on the list and should get a chance to shine. TM needs new blood and constructive criticism.

dashali 02-17-2006 09:51 AM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
aghaye FAKHFOUR....jane gol
I have been calling MIRZA DERAZ for the past 2 years...go back check my threads...if you don't like it...too bad
I even told himself...mirza deraz...and he laughed at it, just for your info... everytime I talked to Naser Navaserzadeh, who is a great friend, I call him Mirza Deraz.....;)

as for other names in the list.....The point was not adding more names.. the point is,
he invited the same players although half of them had a weak performance in their club level.... question is....what is he looking for?
He makes a decision base on what?! he needs to let us know as well...
we, IRANAINS FOOTBALL FANS, have the right to know...after all this is our NATIONAL TEAM and we have more rights than a koon nashoor like Branco.... by the way, you don't like this, don't go further ;)

You asked about Iman Mobali.....He is the star in Dubai leage right now...I forgot how many goals he scored but this is not the only issue, he is still taking free kicks and scoring....he is still on top of the news...
let me see,,,,,,JAVAD NEKOUNAM who is allways a fix player for BRANKO did not even last 6 months in 1 screwed up team....yet Iman Mobali is the star...
compare the 2 and tell me what you get out of it...

you said once to me, u played for PP....well....if you ever touched a ball and have the understanding of this game....how could you accept to see the same names on the list, when YOU know they did not do well....

you say.....Taleblou this and that were invited....my question is....if he really invited them to play, whay did he invite the MIRZA DERAZ again???? what was the reason?
could you answer this?
and I am willing to put money down that Mirza will play again and again....
Taleblou will warm up the bench and maybe, maybe, he gets a few minutes chance....

we don't have much time for preperation and yet these games that we have, we need to test new players.....we need to test taleblou when the defense is...REZAIE and golmohammadi...we need to test Akbarpour when he has Karimi and KIa behind him to support and feed him.....then u will see how he can finish....

you are happy with the list....good for u....this list does not represent IRAN and IRANIAN players....in my opinion... I accept your opinion .... :kobedeh:

Another issue that you just passed is....SATTAR ZARE.....why is he there? what did he do?
we forget about DAEI.....since this is DAEI's TM anyhow....the most scorer in the world, cannot even become the most scorer in the freeky, looser IPL...looool...that is funny...and yes his team is doing well.....but man, he sucks....anyhow.... tell me about those names?
why are they invited again?
Zare....Nosrati....Navidkia....Alavi,,,,by the way, Alavi has been injured and missed most of IPL games, just so you know ;) yet these names still show on the list....

Iranetehhhhhhhhhhh :irani:

fakhfour 02-17-2006 10:27 AM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
Dashali jaan
Let's go point by point:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...I have been calling MIRZA DERAZ for the past 2 years...

dashali jaan
This is not a reason. You don't respect the IK forums rules. You are an old member here and if you don't respect the rules, who will do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...the point is, he invited the same players...

No he didn't. There are new names and you know it. You say this team doesn't represent Iran. Give me the names who represent Iran please...


Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...You asked about Iman Mobali...

Mobali has not been invited, that's a fact. He is good, that's also a fact. But the list which makes happy everyone does not exist. I'm either not happy, I also wanted Mobali on the list, but the team has one coach.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...you said once to me, u played for PP...

I have never said I played for PP!!! But you repeat the "same names" argument and I have already answered...
Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...you say.....Taleblou this and that were invited....my question is....if he really invited them to play, whay did he invite the MIRZA DERAZ again???? what was the reason?

The goalkeeper of a National team needs experience. Mirza is not the best, but has more experience than the others. From the technical point of view, he is at least the third. But we should see Taleblou and Roudbarian under pressure to be able to judge. You can not kick off Mirzapour from the team without having a good keeper!
Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...we don't have much time for preperation and yet these games that we have, we need to test new players.....we need to test taleblou when the defense is...REZAIE and golmohammadi...we need to test Akbarpour when he has Karimi and KIa behind him to support and feed him.....then u will see how he can finish...

Here you are right. I accept this one. This is what I call a constructive criticism.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...you are happy with the list....good for u....this list does not represent IRAN and IRANIAN players....in my opinion... I accept your opinion ....

Do you represent Iran?! Have you read the comments of the IK members about the list? More than 70% of them are happy with the list!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashali
...SATTAR ZARE... DAEI...Nosrati....Navidkia....Alavi.

This is also a constructive criticism, but it's difficult for a man you call "... NASHOOR" to hear your voice! Being constructive starts with being respectful.

IK COP 02-17-2006 12:52 PM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
Dashali, You can discuss it without personal insults, name calling etc. If you wish to have a serious discussion then compile your words in same fashion. Not too many people will take you seriously this way.

The entire point of this new forum is to discuss topics without resorting to insults.

Kaiser Amir 02-17-2006 02:22 PM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
I'm going to add my two cents here.
This is strictly my opinion. I don't want to go through a YEK-O-DO over it with anyone.

Basically, I might be wrong, I might be right, but this is how I see things:


In a country like Iran with a population close to 80 million people, you have 80 million football coaches with 80 million different lists for Team Melli.

At the end of day though, ONE MAN is paid to make a list and is RESPONSIBLE for the choices he makes.

This man, Branko Ivankovic, is a professional coach.
He has a quality that we ALL can agree on:

HE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT FOOTBALL MORE THAN THE REST OF US


Since Ivankovic is RESPONSIBLE for the choices he makes (unlike us!) he will be FIRED if those choices will prove to be wrong.
So far, RESULTS are on his side and prove that Ivankovic has made the right choices.

Thats why, even though the latest Team Melli list includes a few players I don't like either, I DO NOT allow myself to throw dirt at Ivankovic.

He is the coach.
I'm not.

If things go wrong, he'll get the sack.
I'll continue to post on IK.

If things go well, Ivankovic will be a hero.
I'll continue to post on IK.


So, I say if we hire a coach for the national team and pay him TOP DOLLARS, we should let the guy do HIS JOB.
If he gets the results, and Ivankovic has gotten the results, let him CONTINUE to do his job.

Take France and Aime Jacquet for example.
The guy left out Eric Cantona and David Ginola from the 1998 World Cup squad.
The entire France called for his head...BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT.
After it, when France became World Champions, all french press, including the prestigious L'Equipe magazine issued a PUBLIC APPLOGY to Jacquet.

I'm not saying Ivankovic is going to win the World Cup, but I say let him DIE BY HIS OWN SWORD.

IK COP 02-17-2006 02:35 PM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Amir
In a country like Iran with a population close to 80 million people, you have 80 million football coaches with 80 million different lists for Team Melli.

At the end of day though, ONE MAN is paid to make a list and is RESPONSIBLE for the choices he makes..

Can not disagree with this comment. 100% true.

The problem is we assume Branko's performance effects his job. It seems it doesnt. I can assure you regardless of how bad TM plays Branko will not be fired. At same time it is absolutly pointless to drop a coach 3 months before departure to Germany. What makes the next coach any different?

To be honest I have given up on this topic. Like it or not Branko is here to stay and his decision to select players wont be effected but what we discuss here.

All I hope is for TM to play well in Germany. The negative political campaign that will surround our players in Germany will be their main obsticle.

fakhfour 02-17-2006 03:10 PM

Re: New TM list does not represent IRAN!!
 
There are many good points in what Amir and Perjad say. I fully agree. I just wanted to add something to their comments:
You all know I don't like Branco's style of coaching. But to be fair, we wanted him to be open to criticism. Look at his list: there are many guys we (supporters and media) wanted on the list and they are almost all invited. I think it's maybe possible to see more positive changes if we learn to encourage them. It's not enough to put up the weak points; we should learn to praise the good moves too.


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