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Sayyid
03-30-2009, 06:20 PM
If UAE ties the saudi's tomorrow, we are back at the driver seat. A UAE tie against the saudi's and NK loss to South Korea gives Iran the chance to pick up that number 2 spot by defeating both North Korea and UAE. So lets all pray that UAE atleast ties with KSA TOMORROW!
current standings:
North Korea 10 points (5 games)
South Korea 8 points (4 games)
KSA 7 points (5 games)
Iran 6 points (5 games)

Sayyid
03-30-2009, 06:24 PM
lets hope tomorrow's standings look more like this:

South Korea 11 points (5 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
KSA 8 points (6 games)
Iran 6 points (5 games)

Wahani
03-30-2009, 10:24 PM
UAE have nothing to loose at this point, so maybe they have a chance to go for it.

Sayyid
03-31-2009, 04:19 AM
UAE have nothing to loose at this point, so maybe they have a chance to go for it.

I sure hope they show up and play good against KSA!! but then again they will be playing against their arab brothers, so anything can happen.

Fahd
03-31-2009, 05:32 AM
UAE will hand it to Saudi Arabia on a platter that is FOR SURE.

Now. We really want NK to beat SK so we are only 2 points from third spot and 4 from second (assuming SA wins).

Fahd
03-31-2009, 05:34 AM
lets hope tomorrow's standings look more like this:

South Korea 11 points (5 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
KSA 8 points (6 games)
Iran 6 points (5 games)


No.

Its much better like this.

North Korea 13 points
South Korea 8 points
KSA 8 points
Iran 6 points.

Much much better.

Sayyid
03-31-2009, 06:14 AM
No.

Its much better like this.

North Korea 13 points
South Korea 8 points
KSA 8 points
Iran 6 points.

Much much better.

but the south has 3 games left, with 2 playing at home, and the away one against UAE! So if your prediction is right and KSA beats UAE! and the North beats the south, here's that standing:

North Korea 13 points (6 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
South Korea 8 points (5 games)
Iran 6 points. (5 games)

don't you think Iran has a better chance of beating N Korea than it does S korea?..also, N Korea can easily drop to the number 4 spot by losing in the away games in both South Korea and KSA!

South Korea 11 points (5 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
Iran 6 points (5 games)

So now, if Iran beats North Korea and the south beats UAE on june 6, we get:


South Korea 14 points (6 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
Iran 9 points (6 games)

now four days later Iran has the chance to climb up by beating UAE, and most probably South Korea will either beat or tie KSA:

if KSA loses to the S korea:

South Korea 17 points (7 games)
Iran 12 points (7 games)
KSA 11 points (7 games)
North Korea 10 points (7 games)

if KSA ties with S korea:

South Korea 15 points (7 games)
Iran 12 points (7 games)
KSA 12 points (7 games)
North Korea 10 points (7 games)

This means Iran can even advance if they lose to South Korea in Korea and most defenitly advance if they tie:

Final day of the games:

Iran loses to S Korea/ KSA beats N Korea:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
KSA 15 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
North Korea 10 points (8 games)

Iran loses to S Korea/ N Korea beats KSA:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
North Korea 13 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
KSA 12 points (8 games)

Iran loses to S Korea/ N Korea ties KSA:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
KSA 13 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
KSA 11 points (8 games)

This means if we beat both N Korea and UAE as we should, regardless of our final match against South Korea we should advance by picking the 3rd spot or even the 2nd spot!

Fahd
03-31-2009, 07:17 AM
but the south has 3 games left, with 2 playing at home, and the away one against UAE! So if your prediction is right and KSA beats UAE! and the North beats the south, here's that standing:

North Korea 13 points (6 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
South Korea 8 points (5 games)
Iran 6 points. (5 games)

don't you think Iran has a better chance of beating N Korea than it does S korea?..also, N Korea can easily drop to the number 4 spot by losing in the away games in both South Korea and KSA!

South Korea 11 points (5 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
Iran 6 points (5 games)

So now, if Iran beats North Korea and the south beats UAE on june 6, we get:


South Korea 14 points (6 games)
KSA 11 points (6 games)
North Korea 10 points (6 games)
Iran 9 points (6 games)

now four days later Iran has the chance to climb up by beating UAE, and most probably South Korea will either beat or tie KSA:

if KSA loses to the S korea:

South Korea 17 points (7 games)
Iran 12 points (7 games)
KSA 11 points (7 games)
North Korea 10 points (7 games)

if KSA ties with S korea:

South Korea 15 points (7 games)
Iran 12 points (7 games)
KSA 12 points (7 games)
North Korea 10 points (7 games)

This means Iran can even advance if they lose to South Korea in Korea and most defenitly advance if they tie:

Final day of the games:

Iran loses to S Korea/ KSA beats N Korea:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
KSA 15 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
North Korea 10 points (8 games)

Iran loses to S Korea/ N Korea beats KSA:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
North Korea 13 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
KSA 12 points (8 games)

Iran loses to S Korea/ N Korea ties KSA:

South Korea 18 points (8 games)
KSA 13 points (8 games)
Iran 12 points (8 games)
KSA 11 points (8 games)

This means if we beat both N Korea and UAE as we should, regardless of our final match against South Korea we should advance by picking the 3rd spot or even the 2nd spot!


KSA are on 7 points so if they beat UAE they would be on 10 not 11 only 4 points ahead us in 2nd spot. What we want is as many teams close to us as possible. South Korea on 8 is perfect. If South Korea are on 11, NK on 10 and KSA on 10 it would mean we would be in 4th spot regardless if we win the next game. This is not a good situation. We only want 3rd spot because thats all we are ever gonna get.

OSTAD POOYA
03-31-2009, 10:36 AM
Saudi is not Iran and will not lose. As much as it sounds good and makes us happy to think that but Saudi will CRUSH uae tonight. I hope I am wrong but I highly doubt it will happen. UAE will play softer against them. Not that they will necessarly just drop the game but when these Arabs play each other and one has nothing to lose we know the history. For the past 3 days all the news papers have made headlines of this dirty arab victory over Iran at our home turft. Our home was disrespected and our players are a bunch of pussies who embarrased us. I been in outrage for the past 3 days after watching that disasterou loss that we will never forget. For the fourth time they have managed to get us kicked out and this time did it to us at our home turft. How Shameful. They did play better than in us in all fairness and more motivation. Our players didnt protect their own when he grabbed the ball and just sat there. Daei froze like a piece of ice with nothing to show and no tactics to be changed while they are doing a double substituion. no defender on tne 2nd post. ?????
Going back to the main topic I think we have something like a 21% chance of going through with these statistics that I saw. How sad that we go from being able to go to spot 2 to being kicked out. Not even a tie :cry:

Sherwin
03-31-2009, 03:53 PM
I sure hope they show up and play good against KSA!! but then again they will be playing against their arab brothers, so anything can happen.

Well it's not impossible UAE shows up to play against us they got a tie @ UAE and in the last round they tied us in Azadi. Saudia Arabia might be cocky heading into the game and take UAE lightly. This is the best thing that can happen for us I hope.

Sayyid
03-31-2009, 05:17 PM
Well it's not impossible UAE shows up to play against us they got a tie @ UAE and in the last round they tied us in Azadi. Saudia Arabia might be cocky heading into the game and take UAE lightly. This is the best thing that can happen for us I hope.

That's what I was thinking also, KSA has become over confident because of their huge win in Tehran and that might work in their disadvantage. I just want a draw. If UAE gets a draw at KSA, we still have a very good chance to pick up that 2nd spot!

Sayyid
03-31-2009, 05:25 PM
KSA are on 7 points so if they beat UAE they would be on 10 not 11 only 4 points ahead us in 2nd spot. What we want is as many teams close to us as possible. South Korea on 8 is perfect. If South Korea are on 11, NK on 10 and KSA on 10 it would mean we would be in 4th spot regardless if we win the next game. This is not a good situation. We only want 3rd spot because thats all we are ever gonna get.

I see your point and I actually agree with your argument. But here's a question: do you think S korea could possibly lose 2 stright at home against NK and KSA, before they play team melli?
If the North loses to the south, they are left with 10 points and 2 more games which are against Iran and KSA. And if we beat them and later we beat UAE (as we should) we will have 12 points. This means at the final day:

S Korea 14 points (7 games)
Iran 12 points (7 games) (previous game: Iran beats UAE at home)
KSA 11 points (7 games) (previous games: KSA loses to S Korea in S Korea)
N korea 10 points (7 games)

We will qualify no matter whatever happens at the final day, since both KSA or NK can't win in the final day!

P.S We could even qualify 1st if we win all 3 games. It's not that impossible!

Observer
03-31-2009, 10:58 PM
Having said all that - we just have to wait and hope there won't be any Arab/Korean conspiracies to keep Iran out of the competition ( because every team in Asia and Australia won't want to face Iran- specially when they see Iran is down).

This is the not a good position to be in folks. "If that team loses or this team ties or the other team wins then we're in it." We should have taken care of the business right from the beginning.

DAMN IFF - they have over 2.5 years to correct all the possible problems - now when there is little can be done they're changing the coach and expect miracles to happen. They're just trying to full people to cover their own corruptions and deffienciencies.

I guess at this stage we have no choice but to hope having all these possibilities so our beloved team-e meli can go to the WC.

I hope team-e meli makes it to the WC but if IFF continues to manage and plan our football the same way it has been -even if we make it to the WC, we will very likely end up playing not more than three games in S.Africa.

:IFF:

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 09:06 AM
S. Korea beat N. Korea 1-0; again another late goal saved them. Overall it was an entertaining match. S. Korea was clearly the better side, with majority of the ball possession, and chances to score.

Shahinc
04-01-2009, 11:09 AM
S. Korea beat N. Korea 1-0; again another late goal saved them. Overall it was an entertaining match. S. Korea was clearly the better side, with majority of the ball possession, and chances to score.


That is good news for Iran, isn't it ??

We want S.Korea to beat Nk, KSA and UAE.

Is there anywhere that I can check the standing in this group ??

What was the score for the end game between KSA and UAE ?? I am hoping UAE pull a miracle and either tie or win.

saravireeka
04-01-2009, 11:15 AM
Is there anywhere that I can check the standing in this group ??

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http://www.the-afc.com/eng/competitions/fixtures/index.jsp_WC-2007-464.html

Shahinc
04-01-2009, 11:18 AM
Merci Doste Aziz SaraviReeka

Did I tell you that I am from Sari az well :)

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 12:50 PM
That is good news for Iran, isn't it ??

We want S.Korea to beat Nk, KSA and UAE.

Is there anywhere that I can check the standing in this group ??

What was the score for the end game between KSA and UAE ?? I am hoping UAE pull a miracle and either tie or win.
UAE vs KSA is just about to start. Lets hope UAE gets a tie. I too think the S Korea win against NK was good for us, because at the very least we can make it to the playoff's with 2 wins against UAE and NK and a tie with S Korea.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:32 PM
GO UAE!!!!! Is there a stream of this game online so that I can watch along?

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:34 PM
According to livescore, it's 0-0 at 4'!! GO UAE!!!

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:37 PM
According to livescore, it's 0-0 at 4'!! GO UAE!!!

Good news that North Korea lost. Now, NK has 10 pts with 2 games left, and Iran has 6 pts with 3 games to go, one of those against NK.

dashali
04-01-2009, 01:38 PM
1-0 KSA
goal
PK ;)
I bet you..KSA will score at least 5 goals to get to the 2nd place...looool

Iranetehhhhhh:jashr:

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:39 PM
1-0 KSA
goal
PK ;)
I bet you..KSA will score at least 5 goals to get to the 2nd place...looool

Iranetehhhhhh:jashr:

I just saw the score, crap!! How are you watching the game dashali? Is it on IRIB or streaming online?

Foosball_Champ
04-01-2009, 01:45 PM
Watch it online: http://www.justin.tv/tvkooramaghribiya

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:50 PM
Watch it online: http://www.justin.tv/tvkooramaghribiya

Dastet dard nakoneh. UAE looks like they're trying, at least they "look" like they are.

bezashah
04-01-2009, 01:52 PM
...damn monkeys

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 01:53 PM
I found this site. http://www.goalcentre.com/saudi-arabia-vs-uae-live-highlights/

bezashah
04-01-2009, 01:55 PM
ok which one is saudi ? the red ones or the white ones ? :confused:

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:55 PM
LOL, was the administrator going to change the link of the game?

bezashah
04-01-2009, 01:55 PM
:ipuke:SAUDI ARABIA

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 01:58 PM
That was an obvious corner kick for UAE at '27, but the ref gave in to KSA. Unbelievable.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:01 PM
UAE had a great chance at 29' with a cross, but the KSA goalie made a nice diving save infront of the UAE forward.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:05 PM
Another strong attack by UAE at '32 with a shot at the KSA goal.

This may be a shocker, but I think UAE is actually trying to score some goals.:eek:

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:10 PM
Goooooooaaaaaaaaaaaall!!!!

UAE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALL!!

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:11 PM
Beautiful cross by UAE, with the header putting it away into the top right of the goal in '39.

KSA 1-1 UAE

bezashah
04-01-2009, 02:12 PM
so AFC games AREN'T fixed ??? :eek::eek::eek:

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 02:12 PM
That was great UAE goal. They are playing better than KSA in my opinion.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:14 PM
That was great UAE goal. They are playing better than KSA in my opinion.

Yeah, I think your right. UAE is coming up with better attacks, and their passing is waaaay better than KSA up to this point in the first half.

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 02:18 PM
Goooool Uae 2.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:18 PM
Oh my f'n GOD!! GOOOOOOOOOAAAAALL!!!!!

UAE AGAIN!!!

GOOOOOOOAAAAAAALL at the end of the half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLL!!!!

KSA 1-2 UAE

bezashah
04-01-2009, 02:20 PM
:flame:SAUDI ARABIA

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 02:23 PM
UAE is playing very well. Iran better watch out. Iran also tied with Senegal today. Looks like they are still in a psychological slump.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:26 PM
Rumor has it that the KSA coach has been sacked in the locker room during the half-time break. :tooth:

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 02:30 PM
Maybe they can hire Daie. He is available at a low discount.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:40 PM
The Saudi's have picked it up at the start of the second half by attacking non-stop. I hope UAE isn't falling into a defense-only plan for the rest of the game.

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:45 PM
LOOOL. The Saudi player had a perfect corner kicked to him with a wide-open goal to the right and missed to the side by at least 20 feet. Camera showed the crowd and how pissed they got. Pretty funny. KSA is attacking like crazy though, and we're only in '56.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 02:54 PM
YEsss, I just woke up from my afternoon nap and saw this amazing result...alaahhho akbarrr.....:rotflmao:

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 02:55 PM
looooooooooooooooooooool..the UAE goalie is grassss-rolling now

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:55 PM
UAE dodges another bullet at '66 when the goalie came out. KSA should have scored there. The announcer is pretty funny each time KSA scrrews up.

UAE goalie is busting a little grassrolling by laying around and reaching for his thighs the past two minutes at '67. LOL.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 02:59 PM
****kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...2-2

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 02:59 PM
Ah $hit!!! KSA scores by breaking down UAE's defense. Own freaking goal!! God damit!!

KSA 2-2 UAE '70

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:00 PM
the saudis are attacking NON-STOP!!

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 03:00 PM
Oh not autogoal. 2-2

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:00 PM
Ah $hit!!! KSA scores by breaking down UAE's defense.

KSA 2-2 UAE '70

It looked like they scored on themselves:(

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:02 PM
It looked like they scored on themselves:(

Yep, it was an own goal man.

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 03:04 PM
Very fishy goal, watch the replay, look at what the UAE line does as the ball si crossed low.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:04 PM
2-2...15 minutes left!!!

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:07 PM
2-2 with...12 minutes left:))..GOD PLEASEEEEE

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:08 PM
WOW!! KSA is acting like this game is a do-or-die situation for them. They're attacking relentlesly. I'm just hoping for the tie now.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:10 PM
WOW!! KSA is acting like this game is a do-or-die situation for them. They're attacking relentlesly. I'm just hoping for the tie now.

yes, they are attacking non-stop..I never seen them play like this..lets hope they don't score in this last 8 minutes!!

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:11 PM
YEAHHHHH!!! UAE is trying to keep the tie by going Bahrain-style in '81!! Keep it up boys. :tooth:

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:12 PM
noooooooooooooooooo..damn, it's 3-2 saudi now!!

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:12 PM
F*@k!!! F*%k!!!!

KSA 3-2 UAE 83'

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:12 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:gun:

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:14 PM
why are we so UNLUCKY...these guys keep coming back from behind in the last minutes..and win! This is not funny anymore:(

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:19 PM
I wish I would have gone to the gym. Going into extra time now. KSA player is rolling around.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:20 PM
UAE just like Iran managed to change their wins to a loss against the saudis..both games UAE was a head and they end up losing!!

bezashah
04-01-2009, 03:20 PM
ok, now it's fixed :tooth:

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:23 PM
Game over.

KSA 3-2 UAE

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 03:24 PM
This ties KSA with N.Korea with 10 points each.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:25 PM
I wish I would have gone to the gym. Going into extra time now. KSA player is rolling around.

that sucks man, I can't believe they won another one while fist falling behind...these guys are super lucky..they have 4 chances and 3 becomes a goal..I'm sick of watching them go to world cup every 4 years:(

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:26 PM
Looked like the player of the game was given to a UAE player. I wonder if it's the dude that made that own goal.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 03:27 PM
This ties KSA with N.Korea with 10 points each...yes, this makes things super difficult for us, now we have to beat both N korea and UAE and hope that the Saudis don't beat S Korea!!

sepehr
04-01-2009, 03:33 PM
In order for Iran to qualify we need to win against N.K and UAE, Tie South Korea. ANd hope that south Korea beats Saudi and then North Korea Tie or beat the Saudis. The chances of south Korea and North Korea doing that are very high but the chances of Iran winning 2 games and tying 1 are low since we cant seem to be able to score goals (6 goals in 5 games :().

highflyerreborn
04-01-2009, 03:37 PM
I think Iran control their own destiny ...

3 months left - and this is enough time to improve player fitenss , speed issues if coach is good -

Beat North Korea with high passes and high crosses

I don't know how UAE will play vs UAE their MF was just so fast even for Saudia they could not keep pace with the speed...

South Korea ... is bread and butter for Iran ... we need Karami in this one

Ahmad18s
04-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Bring back Karimi. Couldn't hurt us seeing we're in 4th place.

swenguzzi
04-01-2009, 03:46 PM
They need to put together a game plan soon. I currently watching Italy-R. Ireland. The score is 1-0 despite Italy being one man down. Pazzini was red carded.

shawnagha
04-01-2009, 04:22 PM
I think Iran control their own destiny ...

3 months left - and this is enough time to improve player fitenss , speed issues if coach is good -

Beat North Korea with high passes and high crosses

I don't know how UAE will play vs UAE their MF was just so fast even for Saudia they could not keep pace with the speed...

South Korea ... is bread and butter for Iran ... we need Karami in this one

2 months left,,, our first game would be 3 days after my 20th bd :D
all i want is a qualification to the world cup :beer:

shawnagha
04-01-2009, 04:24 PM
that sucks man, I can't believe they won another one while fist falling behind...these guys are super lucky..they have 4 chances and 3 becomes a goal..I'm sick of watching them go to world cup every 4 years:(

yeah and then lose to the $4!ttiest teams and come home empty handed :ipuke:

shawnagha
04-01-2009, 04:28 PM
They need to put together a game plan soon. I currently watching Italy-R. Ireland. The score is 1-0 despite Italy being one man down. Pazzini was red carded.

you know i was thinking about that, and it is not that hard to teach this team a whole new system! because we've NEVER EVER had a game plan! so it's not like tm has to learn a whole new system, it is that they just have to learn ONE organized system of strategy, and convert form an unorganized, just cross the ball over the goal and hope to god for a header, to something that makes sense!
now that's a whole new concept to the IFF i think.

Sherwin
04-01-2009, 05:52 PM
you know i was thinking about that, and it is not that hard to teach this team a whole new system! because we've NEVER EVER had a game plan! so it's not like tm has to learn a whole new system, it is that they just have to learn ONE organized system of strategy, and convert form an unorganized, just cross the ball over the goal and hope to god for a header, to something that makes sense!
now that's a whole new concept to the IFF i think.

They never EVER had a game plan because TM could just rely on talent alone before and have a good chance of qualifying. Well the rest of Asia caught up and to me right now based on our standings Iran is just another team. They are no longer feared this is not the 70's. We need to change our attitude that is the problem. Our players don't play as a team they play as individuals and everyone wants the glory for themselves. As long as we have this mentality we will go nowhere. Other countries like USA might have the same or slight less individual talent, but they are more successful because they play AS A TEAM. There are no egos and nobody is above the team that is what's important. Noby wants to have all of the glory to themselves. In US soccer if the guy is dribbling the ball and sees an open guy, he will PASS the ball not try to dribble two defenders and score on his own.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 06:40 PM
They never EVER had a game plan because TM could just rely on talent alone before and have a good chance of qualifying. Well the rest of Asia caught up and to me right now based on our standings Iran is just another team. They are no longer feared this is not the 70's. We need to change our attitude that is the problem. Our players don't play as a team they play as individuals and everyone wants the glory for themselves. As long as we have this mentality we will go nowhere. Other countries like USA might have the same or slight less individual talent, but they are more successful because they play AS A TEAM. There are no egos and nobody is above the team that is what's important. Noby wants to have all of the glory to themselves. In US soccer if the guy is dribbling the ball and sees an open guy, he will PASS the ball not try to dribble two defenders and score on his own.

I like to add something to that, which doesn't get mentioned here at all! and I'm sure it's going to make some of us upset!!

After watching the KSA and UAE match I not only saw a great team work by the Saudis (sherwin talked about), but I also saw REAL MEN COMPETING to get a win. After the Saudis fell behind to UAE, they start attacking UAE like bunch of mad dogs! Now in other hand, our boys play like a sorry bunch, which is an indication of a FEMINIZED culture! The Iranian men have been FEMINIZED in the last few years! These guys can care less if they lose to the arab bunch, nor did they show a little Gheyrat during any of their past matches!! If anyone here has visited Iran recently knows exactly what I'm talking about here!! I really hope some of you watched KSA play at home today, they were attacking UAE non-stop! I've never seen anything like it!!
KSA will qualify because:
1. They have more Ba-Gheyrat, and fewer feminized players than Iran has
2. They are team players and have a selfless love for their country

Sherwin
04-01-2009, 06:44 PM
I like to add something to that, which doesn't get mentioned here at all! and I'm sure it's going to make some of us upset!!

After watching the KSA and UAE match I not only saw a great team work by the Saudis (sherwin talked about), but I also saw REAL MEN COMPETING to get a win. After the Saudis fell behind to UAE, they start attacking UAE like bunch of mad dogs! Now in other hand, our boys play like they are team Laos, which is an indication of a FEMINIZED culture! The Iranian men has been FEMINIZED! These guys can care less if they lose to the arab bunch, nor did they show a little Gheyrat during any of their past matches!! If anyone here has visited Iran recently knows exactly what I'm talking about here!! I really hope some of you watched KSA play at home today, they were attacking UAE non-stop! I've never seen anything like it!!
KSA will qualify because:
1. They have more Ba-Gheyrat, and fewer feminized players than Iran has
2. They are team players and have a selfless love for their country


Wow I can't argue there I agree with you on all of your points there is not much to add. The thing is I think our players are getting complacent because now guys like Nekounam, Shojaei and the others are getting some serious $$$$ playing professional football in Euopre. They seem to care more abou their hair, clothes, and cars over winning.

The Saudi players probably get less than 1/2 of the money that our Euro based players get but at least they have heart. I can't believe I'm saying this but right now I have more respect for Saudi Arabia's team over our own. I'm sorry to say this but we have a bunch of cocky prima donnas on our roster, and they have guys who just want to work hard and play for the love of their country.

KSA is what we were back in World Cup 98.

Sayyid
04-01-2009, 07:20 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but right now I have more respect for Saudi Arabia's team over our own. I'm sorry to say this but we have a bunch of cocky prima donnas on our roster, and they have guys who just want to work hard and play for the love of their country.

KSA is what we were back in World Cup 98.

I 100% feel the same, before I hated these saudis for their dirty tactics and their ugly football! But now they play better football, and sadly don't grass-roll as much as our team does!! Sherwin, I don't know if you watched the game UAE VS KSA today?!...but they were playing the way Iran did back in the days, when we defeated S Arabia 3-0, or we bitch slapped the Koreans 6-2!! So, I feel ashamed to say this also, but the Saudis are more "Ba-Gheyrat" than our boys:(..And like you, they should earn all our respects for they are true athletes and men!
I remember those good old days that we kept on fighting for World cup spot against Japan, we lost that playoff match in over time 3-2..but we never gave up and got together to play another match against Australia!! Those guys were Lion at heart:
Ali daie
Khodadad Azizi
Ahmad-Reza Abedzdeh
Karim Bagheri
Mansourian
Mahdavikia
khakpour
peyrovaani
estili
Minavand
Pashazadeh
.....
Lets hope our players come back with fire and anger! I don't care if they lose in N Korea, but at least I want to see them play like an angry bunch with nothing to lose!!

Sherwin
04-01-2009, 07:43 PM
I 100% feel the same, before I hated these saudis for their dirty tactics and their ugly football! But now they play better football, and sadly don't grass-roll as much as our team does!! Sherwin, I don't know if you watched the game UAE VS KSA today?!...but they were playing the way Iran did back in the days, when we defeated S Arabia 3-0, or we bitch slapped the Koreans 6-2!! So, I feel ashamed to say this also, but the Saudis are more "Ba-Gheyrat" than our boys:(..And like you, they should earn all our respects for they are true athletes and men!
I remember those good old days that we kept on fighting for World cup spot against Japan, we lost that playoff match in over time 3-2..but we never gave up and got together to play another match against Australia!! Those guys were Lion at heart:
Ali daie
Khodadad Azizi
Ahmad-Reza Abedzdeh
Karim Bagheri
Mansourian
Mahdavikia
khakpour
peyrovaani
estili
Minavand
Pashazadeh
.....
Lets hope our players come back with fire and anger! I don't care if they lose in N Korea, but at least I want to see them play like an angry bunch with nothing to lose!!

Well unfortunately I couldn't watch the UAE KSA game but I'm sure they played great. I watched KSA play in the recent Asian cup, and they really impressed me.

Oh and I would kill to get those players back I would trade them for our players in a nanosecond at least those guys had some heart man. With the exception of Ali Daei, Azzizi, and Madavakia, most of those guys didn't get paid that much money but they played for the love of their country. There is a reason why I still have two throwback WC 98 Ali Daei and Azizi jerseys in my closet to this day.

highflyerreborn
04-01-2009, 08:19 PM
Well how many new players has Iran introduced in recent games ??

All players are old tested player...

I would not mind seeing 1-2 U23 players break into the iranian team.

I think Iran has their own destinies in their own hands -

Iran can beat North Korea
Iran can pull one on UAE ... UAE was playing very dangerous today
Iran can beat South Korea (FINAL DAY WAR)

Saudia 16 points beats North Korea/South Korea
Iran = 15 points direct qualifications (beat UAE, North, South)
South Korea = 14 points (The beat UAE, No rest time for Korea Lose to Saudia, Lose to Iran)

North Korea = 10 points lose to Iran / Lose to Saudia

Fahd
04-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Well how many new players has Iran introduced in recent games ??

All players are old tested player...

I would not mind seeing 1-2 U23 players break into the iranian team.

I think Iran has their own destinies in their own hands -

Iran can beat North Korea
Iran can pull one on UAE ... UAE was playing very dangerous today
Iran can beat South Korea (FINAL DAY WAR)

Saudia 16 points beats North Korea/South Korea
Iran = 15 points direct qualifications (beat UAE, North, South)
South Korea = 14 points (The beat UAE, No rest time for Korea Lose to Saudia, Lose to Iran)

North Korea = 10 points lose to Iran / Lose to Saudia


To be honest 3 wins in a row is a big call. 2 wins and a draw would be the best we could realistically hope for and that could give us the third spot. I feel South Korea will already be qualified by the time the last game against us is played which is a bonus for us. They may rest some good players to avoid injuries like Park for example who is a very dangerous player.

Sayyid
04-02-2009, 12:56 AM
^^^Fahd jaan, 7 points will give us the 3rd spot for sure. No Could, or Ifs!! Unless N Korea scores more than 3 goals in Saudi Arabia, and in the other hand Saudi Arabia has to win big (5 goal difference) in South Korea!
So here are the facts:

1. If we get 7 points from the remaining 3 matches, we will qualify for the playoffs for sure!

2. If we win all 3, we will directly qualify to world cup!

Super Pippo
04-02-2009, 02:36 PM
To be honest 3 wins in a row is a big call. 2 wins and a draw would be the best we could realistically hope for and that could give us the third spot. I feel South Korea will already be qualified by the time the last game against us is played which is a bonus for us. They may rest some good players to avoid injuries like Park for example who is a very dangerous player.

I do not want to sound pessimistic but winning 3 games when you play in Korea then travel to Iran to play 3 days later then travel back to Korea to play a third game after another 5 days... I do not see us beating UAE with players completely jet lagged and unrested... let alone S Korea after 10 days of intensive travel back and forth...

khazakov
04-02-2009, 03:17 PM
I agree with Super Pippo. I think Iran at this point are in a disarray. Let's see what IFF has planned. The national team has a steep hill to climb. I hope at sometime the IFF has some vision to do a lessons learned. Unless their real plan is for Iran not to make it to the World cup. So far they have accomplished that. I feel your pain, Iranian nation and fans. You deserve better!!!

Sayyid
04-02-2009, 06:00 PM
I do not want to sound pessimistic but winning 3 games when you play in Korea then travel to Iran to play 3 days later then travel back to Korea to play a third game after another 5 days... I do not see us beating UAE with players completely jet lagged and unrested... let alone S Korea after 10 days of intensive travel back and forth...

You make a valid point, although, smaller time frames could also be an advantage for a team that doesn't get enough friendly matches!!..It also helps a desperate team stay focus! Although, non of these would really matter if we were to lose in N Korea. I think it's very important for coaches to focus on one important thing, which we must focus on the game against N Korea for now and not worry about the remaining matches and what takes place in other games! This team needs to stay focused, by that they must talk very little to this Iranian media and find a reason to hate N Korea as much as possible! That's how good teams win: 1. They are Focused 2. Are motivated to win.

Super Pippo
04-05-2009, 02:15 PM
You make a valid point, although, smaller time frames could also be an advantage for a team that doesn't get enough friendly matches!!..It also helps a desperate team stay focus! Although, non of these would really matter if we were to lose in N Korea. I think it's very important for coaches to focus on one important thing, which we must focus on the game against N Korea for now and not worry about the remaining matches and what takes place in other games! This team needs to stay focused, by that they must talk very little to this Iranian media and find a reason to hate N Korea as much as possible! That's how good teams win: 1. They are Focused 2. Are motivated to win.

Sayyid jan
you are right with the advantage of smaller timeframe, what I really find hard to swallow is the crazy idea to fly the team to Korea, fly them back to Iran and then fly them again to Korea, all of this in 10 days

I am amazed nobody tried to negotiate an alternative in IFF