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Kaiser Amir
07-28-2007, 04:02 PM
You can watch the interview by clicking on the link below:

http://iranfootballonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2742


Here are ALI DAEI's statements:


- Despite having a lot of good players, Team Melli couldn't achieve the results everyone expected in the Asian Cup. Thats because the technical staff didn't have the same standard as our footballers.

- Our football was hit by two major disasters in one year: 1- Disqualification of Esteghlal from the Asian Champions League.
2- Early exit from the Asian Cup
I hope that in future we'll prevent such scenarios by picking the best options for our national team.

- Our technical staff was never prepared for such hard times. When you are at the top, you should always plan for the future. Team Melli's staff did some very controversial interviews before the Asian Cup, hammering all those peole who pointed out our side's problems.

- Team Melli's technical staff had a very wrong component. One coach from the new generation (referring to Ghalenoei), another one from some 30 years ago (talking about Ebrahimi).
The perspective a coach from some 30 years ago has on football can never be compared to the way of thinking by a trainer from the new era.
This lack of harmony between Team Melli's coaches led to the downfall of our boys.

- Iran missed a great opportunity to reach the Asian Cup final after a long time and even win the tournament.
The best proof of this is the fact that just a few weeks ago our B team defeated almost the same Iraq side that has reached the last act of the 2007 Asian Cup.

- I will not accept to coach Iran's national team.
My attention is focused on Saipa, a side I want to prepare very well for the new season.

mehran1848
07-28-2007, 04:08 PM
One could not but fully agree with what Daei said about TM. you could easily relate to what he says.

Thanks for the news Amir jaan!!

saravireeka
07-28-2007, 05:17 PM
Finally someone has the ball to say what happen, I guess no one except Daei or Azizi can tell them.

Oftadeh
07-28-2007, 05:18 PM
- Team Melli's technical staff had a very wrong component. One coach from the new generation (referring to Ghalenoei), another one from some 30 years ago (talking about Ebrahimi).
The perspective a coach from some 30 years ago has on football can never be compared to the way of thinking by a trainer from the new era.
This lack of harmony between Team Melli's coaches led to the downfall of our boys.



This is so very true, but I believe that key decisions by GN (repeated now often enough on this board) could have got us all the way, regardless of this anomaly. All his other comments are also spot on.

Keano
07-28-2007, 06:14 PM
How can one not be biased, yet disagree with King Daei?

I absolutely agree with everything daei said, I wish he could soon become TM head coach.

Thanks Amir jaan for the clip!

Kaiser Amir
07-28-2007, 07:53 PM
Dear friends,

You are all very welcome.
I'm glad you enjoyed ALI DAEI's statements.
Regards
Amir

shayan20
07-28-2007, 08:42 PM
everything daei says is TRUE

romario187
07-28-2007, 09:35 PM
- I will not accept to coach Iran's national team.
My attention is focused on Saipa, a side I want to prepare very well for the new season.[/i]


To me this is the best statement he made in the interview! He learned from GN's mistake and he knows he's not ready for international coaching yet! Good for him, and I agree with what he said!

Fahd
07-28-2007, 10:53 PM
Its pretty sad when someone asks someone with 1 year coaching experience SERIOUSLY about becoming the NT coach and that same person taking it seriously!

Our football is worse shape than you think thats unheard of anywhere in the world!

Absolutely ridiculous to say the least and whats more ridiculous is that he will get the job within 5 years having never got a coaching outside of our semi-professional league.

Sad days ahead im afraid! :wall:

Cia
07-28-2007, 11:03 PM
Its pretty sad when someone asks someone with 1 year coaching experience SERIOUSLY about becoming the NT coach and that same person taking it seriously!


Neither GN nor Branko had too much coaching experience either, and you saw just how SERIOUSLY they were taken. This is Iran we're taking about...

Fahd
07-28-2007, 11:17 PM
Neither GN nor Branko had too much coaching experience either, and you saw just how SERIOUSLY they were taken. This is Iran we're taking about...



Cia. You know about the 'Crawford report'?

It was the report that was made by the OZ government into the failings of the OZ FA. Iran needs one of these but the problem is the FA and the government are one and the same and wont critisize itself. Even it tried i think they are too far gone to be able to do it competently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_Report

*Edit to add link.

footballdxb
07-29-2007, 12:56 AM
You can watch the interview by clicking on the link below:

http://iranfootballonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2742


Here are ALI DAEI's statements:


- Despite having a lot of good players, Team Melli couldn't achieve the results everyone expected in the Asian Cup. Thats because the technical staff didn't have the same standard as our footballers.

- Our football was hit by two major disasters in one year: 1- Disqualification of Esteghlal from the Asian Champions League.
2- Early exit from the Asian Cup
I hope that in future we'll prevent such scenarios by picking the best options for our national team.

- Our technical staff was never prepared for such hard times. When you are at the top, you should always plan for the future. Team Melli's staff did some very controversial interviews before the Asian Cup, hammering all those peole who pointed out our side's problems.

- Team Melli's technical staff had a very wrong component. One coach from the new generation (referring to Ghalenoei), another one from some 30 years ago (talking about Ebrahimi).
The perspective a coach from some 30 years ago has on football can never be compared to the way of thinking by a trainer from the new era.
This lack of harmony between Team Melli's coaches led to the downfall of our boys.

- Iran missed a great opportunity to reach the Asian Cup final after a long time and even win the tournament.
The best proof of this is the fact that just a few weeks ago our B team defeated almost the same Iraq side that has reached the last act of the 2007 Asian Cup.

- I will not accept to coach Iran's national team.
My attention is focused on Saipa, a side I want to prepare very well for the new season.

I certainly agree to some extent with what Ali Daei expressed in the interview but I have also to add some comments (eventhough it is very difficult to comment a bit critically on one of my top Iranian football heroes):

. The fact that TM players and Technical staff were not at the same level was obvious but we should not confuse the facts that Mr. Ghalenoei and his coaching team were trying to do their best and failed AND the fact that the Iranian Football Federation did the wrong decision by appointing Mr. Ghalenoei as the HC of our TM. I think Mr. Ali Daei should have been more precise and critical by saying that IFF needs to get organised in future and avoid us a last minute appointment in such important position, even on temprary basis.

. "Our technical staff was never prepared for such hard times. When you are at the top, you should always plan for the future. Team Melli's staff did some very controversial interviews before the Asian Cup, hammering all those peole who pointed out our side's problems."
I think it is very IRONIC of Mr. Ali Daei to say such thing just immediately after saying that we had good players in our team. I am sure and certain that if he was our HC before the AC, he, rightly as the HC, would never have taken any s..t from anybody in public and he would have rightly asked for some trust and support from fans, experts, media and so on in order to carrying out his job in peace just before the AC. Moreover, I think, he should have been more understanding towards Mr. Ghalenoei's present situation, considering the total mess he went through after the world cup. Right?

. In regard to the wrong composition of the TM coaching staff, I think Mr. Ali Daei would be the first to say that there is only one Boss in the TM coaching staff (or any team in general) and that would be the HC. Now, if you have different point of views with you older colleague, it would only make you think more about the positive you can obtain from your different visions. At the end of the day, it is HC who will decide and others will shut up!

All above said, I think Mr. Ghalenoei was the wrong person to take over our team after the world cup. Considering our less than miserable IFF organisation, specially in regard to the preparation of AC, Mr. Ghalenoei was the only solution available to our in-competent persons in charge.

I think Mr. Ali Daei, as a person who experienced miserable situations in our football due to the lack of competence of IFF, of course for different reasons than Mr. Ghalenoei, forgot to precise that our football organisation needs to become PROFESSIONALLY COMPETENT immediately before blaming its components for being in-competent. with all due respect.

Forza Iran Forza Ali Daei Forza Saipa in ACL

HuseinBaharian
07-29-2007, 01:05 AM
Daei SHEEREH..................

IFF reed!!!

We are one heck of a lucky nation to have an asset STAR like Daei in our football sky................

Daei for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mehran1848
07-29-2007, 05:11 AM
we should not confuse the facts that Mr. Ghalenoei and his coaching team were trying to do their best and failed AND the fact that the Iranian Football Federation did the wrong decision by appointing Mr. Ghalenoei as the HC of our TM. At the end of the day, it is HC who will decide and others will shut up!


I have no doubt about the fact that GN & his coaching team did their best. But they did their best in taking obviously wrong decision, gambling in a situation and playing their cards very wrong. they had all the support from all aspects of society, and carry the blessing of all the TM lovers, until they miserably failed.

GN had control over even the most tiny details Surrounding TM.

for example, during a practice session, he even asked the crowd to shut up and let him/players concentrate on their practice. something which offended many fans at the stands, but they contained themselves for the sake of GN & TM.
(see pictures below):

GN asking the Herasat(security) guy to tell the crowd stop cheering the players:

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/8cdd12661668.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/8cdd12661668)

The security guy talking to the crowd, relaying GN's message

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/e7b597661669.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/e7b597661669)

crowd shutting up and just watching !!

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/188f4d661670.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/188f4d661670)


Now tell me is it too much to ask GN & Co now to accept his mistakes?
He reluctantly apologized , but has not accepted a single mistake out of chains of errors and wrong decisions that they have made throughout his tenor, and taking all the TM fans for a ride by not admitting his mistakes!!

Kaz
07-29-2007, 05:39 AM
I certainly agree to some extent with what Ali Daei expressed in the interview but I have also to add some comments (eventhough it is very difficult to comment a bit critically on one of my top Iranian football heroes):

. The fact that TM players and Technical staff were not at the same level was obvious but we should not confuse the facts that Mr. Ghalenoei and his coaching team were trying to do their best and failed AND the fact that the Iranian Football Federation did the wrong decision by appointing Mr. Ghalenoei as the HC of our TM. I think Mr. Ali Daei should have been more precise and critical by saying that IFF needs to get organised in future and avoid us a last minute appointment in such important position, even on temprary basis.

. "Our technical staff was never prepared for such hard times. When you are at the top, you should always plan for the future. Team Melli's staff did some very controversial interviews before the Asian Cup, hammering all those peole who pointed out our side's problems."
I think it is very IRONIC of Mr. Ali Daei to say such thing just immediately after saying that we had good players in our team. I am sure and certain that if he was our HC before the AC, he, rightly as the HC, would never have taken any s..t from anybody in public and he would have rightly asked for some trust and support from fans, experts, media and so on in order to carrying out his job in peace just before the AC. Moreover, I think, he should have been more understanding towards Mr. Ghalenoei's present situation, considering the total mess he went through after the world cup. Right?

. In regard to the wrong composition of the TM coaching staff, I think Mr. Ali Daei would be the first to say that there is only one Boss in the TM coaching staff (or any team in general) and that would be the HC. Now, if you have different point of views with you older colleague, it would only make you think more about the positive you can obtain from your different visions. At the end of the day, it is HC who will decide and others will shut up!

All above said, I think Mr. Ghalenoei was the wrong person to take over our team after the world cup. Considering our less than miserable IFF organisation, specially in regard to the preparation of AC, Mr. Ghalenoei was the only solution available to our in-competent persons in charge.

I think Mr. Ali Daei, as a person who experienced miserable situations in our football due to the lack of competence of IFF, of course for different reasons than Mr. Ghalenoei, forgot to precise that our football organisation needs to become PROFESSIONALLY COMPETENT immediately before blaming its components for being in-competent. with all due respect.

Forza Iran Forza Ali Daei Forza Saipa in ACL

Great point, great post. Unfortunately, Daei here starts on a correct point but obviously makes it a deeper argument as he shows he is entangled with his own agenda against GN. Esteghlal is/was never Daei's business and the situation surrounding that is far from black and white, yet Daei takes his pot shot.

Whilst I think Daei has the power in our country to make a change for the positive, he will always regard himself as the prime man to do so. That's the flaw in the man.

Anyway, as for Daei being TM coach, I hope that doesn't happen for a long time. I shudder to think what would become of a team where half the players, the senior ones especially, have a problem with him.

Kaz
07-29-2007, 05:41 AM
Mehran jan, my uncle was at the hotel and most the training camps, constantly with the team. By his report, and his many talks with GN, the herasat guys were not his idea and forced on the team. GN had no choice, it was inflicted on him by higher powers, he could not even get permission for the players to leave the hotel.

footballdxb
07-29-2007, 08:17 AM
I have no doubt about the fact that GN & his coaching team did their best. But they did their best in taking obviously wrong decision, gambling in a situation and playing their cards very wrong. they had all the support from all aspects of society, and carry the blessing of all the TM lovers, until they miserably failed.

GN had control over even the most tiny details Surrounding TM.

for example, during a practice session, he even asked the crowd to shut up and let him/players concentrate on their practice. something which offended many fans at the stands, but they contained themselves for the sake of GN & TM.
(see pictures below):

GN asking the Herasat(security) guy to tell the crowd stop cheering the players:

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/8cdd12661668.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/8cdd12661668)

The security guy talking to the crowd, relaying GN's message

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/e7b597661669.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/e7b597661669)

crowd shutting up and just watching !!

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/67/188f4d661670.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/188f4d661670)


Now tell me is it too much to ask GN & Co now to accept his mistakes?
He reluctantly apologized , but has not accepted a single mistake out of chains of errors and wrong decisions that they have made throughout his tenor, and taking all the TM fans for a ride by not admitting his mistakes!!

Mehran jaan, I think in your post you have mistakenly copied/pasted two elements of different discussed subjects and made a whole paragraph which even I have pain in supporting.

Please let me clarify as follows:

1. The fact of apologizing and being humble are two things which we all, Iranian TM fans, have been expecting from him as a defeated coach. GN trying to defend himself for his obvious mistakes, as I said before, sounds just like digging his own grave.

2. GN did his best up to his understanding of the game. Well, it was not enough. Do we want to blame him? If it helps, lets do it but what have we been expecting realistically from him? DO YOU REALLY EXPECT THE BEST TAXI DRIVER IN TEHRAN TO SUCCEED IN A RALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME? Who did judge him apt for the job? What were the criterias for giving him the full command? I think these are the questions we must ask and debate for improving the situation.

3. The HC is the one who is responsible for making sure that the team will perform up to the expected level. Nobody in modern football would discuss this fact. Therefore, during the competition, he is the only king of the squad deciding about his team's line up and tactics. Others, even those close advisors, HAVE TO SHUT UP WHEN IT COMES TO THE FINAL DECISION MAKING.

4. I think we still keep on talking about SOMEONE which should not be named in our today's football when talking about TM's future. with regards.


Forza Iran

footballdxb
07-29-2007, 08:40 AM
Great point, great post. Unfortunately, Daei here starts on a correct point but obviously makes it a deeper argument as he shows he is entangled with his own agenda against GN. Esteghlal is/was never Daei's business and the situation surrounding that is far from black and white, yet Daei takes his pot shot.

Whilst I think Daei has the power in our country to make a change for the positive, he will always regard himself as the prime man to do so. That's the flaw in the man.

Anyway, as for Daei being TM coach, I hope that doesn't happen for a long time. I shudder to think what would become of a team where half the players, the senior ones especially, have a problem with him.

Kaz jaan, Ali Daei is not the only person who has some power in our country. There are many of them who could do something for our football in Iran. Is it a dreamy suggestion that we could see one day, all these opposing people with some notoriety in our football, to sit around a table and to discuss with open heart for the best of Iranian football ... away from their personal problems against each other?

At some point, sometimes, we completely forget that we are talking about a sport and sportsmen here . . . We are not asking George and Osama to come over some kind of impossible solution and give up on their ideologies, we are just asking some power poles in our football to show people they really care about their beloved sports more than their EGO. Ghorbaanat.

Forza Iran

saravireeka
07-29-2007, 08:42 AM
Great point, great post. Unfortunately, Daei here starts on a correct point but obviously makes it a deeper argument as he shows he is entangled with his own agenda against GN. Esteghlal is/was never Daei's business and the situation surrounding that is far from black and white, yet Daei takes his pot shot.

Whilst I think Daei has the power in our country to make a change for the positive, he will always regard himself as the prime man to do so. That's the flaw in the man.

Anyway, as for Daei being TM coach, I hope that doesn't happen for a long time. I shudder to think what would become of a team where half the players, the senior ones especially, have a problem with him.

As usuall baseless and defaeh kor koraneh az ayatollah Haj Agha General GN.
Is every football fans business what happen to ESE regardless of what team we are cheering.
What GN did to our TM is continuetion of what happen to ESE, this man is not capable of leading any team, did you read the Kaabi's interview or you are going to tell us that is soap apera or Sepp Blater the head of FIFA came to AFC to get 120 pages of GN wonderful plan to teach other countries how to plan.
Daei will not be TM coach, he is much smarter thatn the moron whi is the head of TM. Yes, may be some senior may have problem with Daei but problem is our future players, they young players have problem with GN.
The only smart thing GN did, said he take the blame, he knew, if he talk about of the senior player, every senior player tear him a part. On that case even his Bloved hezbollah brothers can not keep him in that position.

Kaz
07-29-2007, 09:32 AM
As usuall baseless and defaeh kor koraneh az ayatollah Haj Agha General GN.
Is every football fans business what happen to ESE regardless of what team we are cheering.
What GN did to our TM is continuetion of what happen to ESE, this man is not capable of leading any team, did you read the Kaabi's interview or you are going to tell us that is soap apera or Sepp Blater the head of FIFA came to AFC to get 120 pages of GN wonderful plan to teach other countries how to plan.
Daei will not be TM coach, he is much smarter thatn the moron whi is the head of TM. Yes, may be some senior may have problem with Daei but problem is our future players, they young players have problem with GN.
The only smart thing GN did, said he take the blame, he knew, if he talk about of the senior player, every senior player tear him a part. On that case even his Bloved hezbollah brothers can not keep him in that position.

GN being the sports director has nothing to do with coaching a team. Sorry, that was a pot-shot by Daei.

It's like GN replying and saying: "well of course this man (Daei) does not know his limits (in reference to something else), he held TM hostage till he was 37. "

That's an obvious pot-shot. Don't even try to not understand that.

Add: I hope Daei is not the TM coach for at least the next 5 years. Most of the team - the senior players - have a problem with Daei. I'd rather keep Kia and co. and wait till Daei either learns to be humble or till they retire.

Kaz
07-29-2007, 09:34 AM
Kaz jaan, Ali Daei is not the only person who has some power in our country. There are many of them who could do something for our football in Iran. Is it a dreamy suggestion that we could see one day, all these opposing people with some notoriety in our football, to sit around a table and to discuss with open heart for the best of Iranian football ... away from their personal problems against each other?

At some point, sometimes, we completely forget that we are talking about a sport and sportsmen here . . . We are not asking George and Osama to come over some kind of impossible solution and give up on their ideologies, we are just asking some power poles in our football to show people they really care about their beloved sports more than their EGO. Ghorbaanat.

Forza Iran

In the hope of one day that our powerful figures can stop thinking about their egos and pockets, and work together to build something greater than themselves. :beer:

saravireeka
07-29-2007, 01:26 PM
GN being the sports director has nothing to do with coaching a team. Sorry, that was a pot-shot by Daei.

It's like GN replying and saying: "well of course this man (Daei) does not know his limits (in reference to something else), he held TM hostage till he was 37. "

That's an obvious pot-shot. Don't even try to not understand that.

Add: I hope Daei is not the TM coach for at least the next 5 years. Most of the team - the senior players - have a problem with Daei. I'd rather keep Kia and co. and wait till Daei either learns to be humble or till they retire.

This call it boz akhvash, Aghayeh aziz, GN was in charge everything, what is it you don't want to get it. Why he resigned or force to resign.

You said daei held hostage the TM, just imagine Reza Bafori and Khatibi playe for us from 3 to 4 years ago, we probably won't be even qualified for WC.

Like I said, put your bias set a side for a minute and read Kaabi's interview, I am sure others will come soon. Daei is smart enough to be TM coach, he is educated and has brain, he knows he is not ready. He will be one day by his abilities not by his connection to hezbollah. As far as Kia and karimi, no one knows what form or shape they will be in couple years. Our senior didn't have a problem with GN, what was the result, 4 bad games and out.
I perfer they dislike each other but they put their heart for Iran instead of being body body and cover each others fault and getting bad results.
I don't want to say everybody but majority of Iranian football fans fed up with GN and his gang, since you are so close to him and know everything about him, make us favor and tell him take his 120 page woderful plan and his body's (Reza bafori and Khatibi) somewhere else, god knows we need fresh start.

Kaiser Amir
07-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Dear saravireeka,

Since you are one of the older, wiser members here on IK, I wanted to ask you something:

--- EDITED BY MODERATOR ---

Regards
Amir ;)

Shahinc
07-29-2007, 03:06 PM
هر چه* زدم* به* در بسته* خورد دايي: ناکامى* با اين* همه* لژيونر جاى* تعجب* دارد

تيمى* که* با اين* تعداد زياد لژيونر نتوانست* به* مراحل* بالاتر صعود کند جاى* تعجب* دارد و بايد به* دنبال* علت*هاى* اين* قضيه* باشيم. على* دايي، سرمربى* تيم* فوتبال* سايپا با بيان* اين* مطلب* افزود: بيشتر بازيکنان* تيم*ملى* ايران* در ليگ*هاى* مهم* اروپايى* اشتغال* دارند اما در اين* تورنمنت* نتوانستند به* خوبى* و آنطور که* از آنان* انتظار مى*رفت* در زمين* فوتبال* حضور داشته* باشند و خود را نشان* دهند.
بازيکن* سابق* تيم*ملى* در خصوص* کادرفنى* تيم*ملى* به* خصوص* امير قلعه*نوعى* تصريح* کرد: او مربى* خوب* و کاربلدى* است* و به* همراه* ديگر اعضاى* کادرفنى* و ساير افرادى* که* در کنار تيم* بودند، براى* تيم*ملى* زحمت* زيادى* متحمل* شدند تا از حيثيت* فوتبال* ايران* دفاع* کنند. نبايد انتقادات* بى*مورد در مطبوعات* از اين* کادرفنى* منتشر شود و براى* ريشه*يابى* اين* حذف* بايد بازيهاى* تدارکاتى* و حضور ملى*پوشان* در اردوهاى* تيم* را بررسى* کرد.
وى* ادامه* داد: حضور مربى* ايرانى* در تيم*هاى* ملى* به* طور حتم* به* نفع* فوتبال* کشورمان* و حتى* ساير ورزش*ها خواهد بود اما وجود مربى* خارجى* با دانش* و کار بلد نيز باعث* بالا رفتن* سطح* ورزش* و به* روز شدن* دانش* مربيان* داخلى* خواهد شد و تمامى* مربيان* و حتى* خود من* به* دنبال* به* دست* آوردن* اطلاعات* لازم* در عرصه* اين* ورزش* پرطرفدار هستيم. دايى* در خصوص* اخذ مدرک* آسيايى* براى* نشستن* روى* نيمکت* سايپا، خاطرنشان* ساخت: در هماهنگى* با فدراسيون* فوتبال* منتظر آن* هستم* تا به* محض* برگزارى* کلاس*هاى* مربيگرى*a آسيا در اين* کلاس*ها حاضر شوم* که* اين* مسئله* به* هيچ* عنوان* در برنامه* کارى*ام* با سايپا مشکلى* ايجاد نخواهد کرد. البته* نبايد فراموش* کرد که* هستند مربيانى* که* مدرک*a آسيا را دارند ولى* در تيمى* براى* مربيگرى* حضور ندارند. سرمربى* سايپا درباره* حضور اين* تيم* در ليگ* قهرمانان* باشگاههاى* آسيا افزود: هدف* اصلى* سايپا دفاع* از عنوان* قهرمانى* فصل* گذشته* خود در ليگ*برتر و حضورى* پررنگ* و آماده* در باشگاههاى* آسياست* تا قدرت* اين* تيم* را نشان* دهيم. در تلاش* هستم* تا حاشيه*ها را از سايپا دور کنم* و همچنين* تجربياتم* را در اختيار بازيکنان* سايپا قرار دهم.
دايى* در پايان* در خصوص* حضورش* در ترکيب* تيم* منتخب* جهان* اذعان* داشت: حضور در ترکيب* اين* تيم* خيلى* خوب* بود و خوشحالم* که* در کنار ساير بازيکنان* معروف* جهان* بازى* کردم. در آن* مسابقه* خيلى* تلاش* کردم* که* بتوانم* گل* بزنم* اما هر چه* زدم* به* در بسته* خورد.

Shahinc
07-29-2007, 03:08 PM
I saw this in terview of him and this is basically what he had to say about Ghalenoyee ;)

He is good coach and he knows his stuff. His coaching team and himself worked hard to defend the reputation of Iran's soccer.
News papaers and reporter should not blindly critisize them and should look for the root causes such as the games we played before the tournoment and ...




Interesting ;)

Oftadeh
07-29-2007, 03:16 PM
This call it boz akhvash, Aghayeh aziz, GN was in charge everything, what is it you don't want to get it. Why he resigned or force to resign.

You said daei held hostage the TM, just imagine Reza Bafori and Khatibi playe for us from 3 to 4 years ago, we probably won't be even qualified for WC.

Like I said, put your bias set a side for a minute and read Kaabi's interview, I am sure others will come soon. Daei is smart enough to be TM coach, he is educated and has brain, he knows he is not ready. He will be one day by his abilities not by his connection to hezbollah. As far as Kia and karimi, no one knows what form or shape they will be in couple years. Our senior didn't have a problem with GN, what was the result, 4 bad games and out.
I perfer they dislike each other but they put their heart for Iran instead of being body body and cover each others fault and getting bad results.
I don't want to say everybody but majority of Iranian football fans fed up with GN and his gang, since you are so close to him and know everything about him, make us favor and tell him take his 120 page woderful plan and his body's (Reza bafori and Khatibi) somewhere else, god knows we need fresh start.


Sarvjan, don't waste your breath. (With all due respect to Kaz, I am not insulting him) Some Taj supporters are so blind in their devotion, they have stopped seeing reason. GN has already proven his lack of professionalism and knowledge by his actions and comments. Even for someone like me who is pretty much clueless about football to understand that, that is saying something! :eek:

arvand
07-29-2007, 03:52 PM
this is completely unrelated to this topic but it doesnt hurt to have some humor right in the middle of a serious conversation. Watch how an stand up comedian makes fun of Daie while Ali Ansarian is standing there:D :D lol :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bacKXG1fjA

As daie said it once, adam ta bozorg nabasheh, kesi barash ahrf dar nemiyareh o maskhrash nemikoneh. I wish that He was still young and could play for us.

Babak
07-29-2007, 04:28 PM
AMir jaan,


You mean to tell me that KaleGoee and Reza Vafoor and Dyanasor Ebrahimi arent in the same level as Kapolo and Totti?


:D :beer:

Kaz
07-29-2007, 04:37 PM
This call it boz akhvash, Aghayeh aziz, GN was in charge everything, what is it you don't want to get it. Why he resigned or force to resign.

You said daei held hostage the TM, just imagine Reza Bafori and Khatibi playe for us from 3 to 4 years ago, we probably won't be even qualified for WC.

Like I said, put your bias set a side for a minute and read Kaabi's interview, I am sure others will come soon. Daei is smart enough to be TM coach, he is educated and has brain, he knows he is not ready. He will be one day by his abilities not by his connection to hezbollah. As far as Kia and karimi, no one knows what form or shape they will be in couple years. Our senior didn't have a problem with GN, what was the result, 4 bad games and out.
I perfer they dislike each other but they put their heart for Iran instead of being body body and cover each others fault and getting bad results.
I don't want to say everybody but majority of Iranian football fans fed up with GN and his gang, since you are so close to him and know everything about him, make us favor and tell him take his 120 page woderful plan and his body's (Reza bafori and Khatibi) somewhere else, god knows we need fresh start.

We're talking about facts right? Who was the modir amel? He was the responsible one. The rest got the cut for being involved. In fact, it was proven they didn't send the list late at all.

Have you been following the news? I mean the OFFICIAL story from the CAS and AFC? If you haven't, don't display your personal agenda with GN or Esteghlal. I for one, can admit that being in a head admin position GN has a responsibility and thus should have been sacrificed for this incompetence...but an admin job is different to being a coach.

It is like me attacking your skills as an analyst because you've double-parked several times. It's like me saying Amir can't write to save his life, therefore he is a poor patriot. ;)

It's non-sense. In short, what Daei has said is THAT. He had plenty of things to say, some accurate and good, but let's not pretend Daei here is the good guy looking for our best interests and not that of himself.

Kaz
07-29-2007, 04:41 PM
Sarvjan, don't waste your breath. (With all due respect to Kaz, I am not insulting him) Some Taj supporters are so blind in their devotion, they have stopped seeing reason. GN has already proven his lack of professionalism and knowledge by his actions and comments. Even for someone like me who is pretty much clueless about football to understand that, that is saying something! :eek:

Red-White-Green > Blue...everytime.

No bias here mate. I can see through the character assassinations and I don't rely on the sensationalism caused by our tabloid media. Having close connections to some of these people is much better than seeing someone like Amir/Saravireeka, X/Y rant about something that they are being influenced to feel.

Babak
07-29-2007, 04:41 PM
I saw this in terview of him and this is basically what he had to say about Ghalenoyee ;)

He is good coach and he knows his stuff. His coaching team and himself worked hard to defend the reputation of Iran's soccer.
News papaers and reporter should not blindly critisize them and should look for the root causes such as the games we played before the tournoment and ...




Interesting ;)


Shaheen jaan,

We all know about the root cause of problems in Iran. As long as this terrorist gang is in charge.....AASH HAMEEN VA KAASEH HAMEEN AST.

But,

ARe you being seriouse about GN?

Kaz
07-29-2007, 04:53 PM
Shaheen jaan,

We all know about the root cause of problems in Iran. As long as this terrorist gang is in charge.....AASH HAMEEN VA KAASEH HAMEEN AST.

But,

ARe you being seriouse about GN?

Babak jaan, kheili khoshbini ya gom. There won't be a clean IFF or group to lead us. I can tell you first hand, with the Dadkans, Mostafavis, Farahinis, it's the 'same shit, different smell' - to quote Eslam Shams.

Every group has their own gangs and their own preferences. Daei has his own, AliAbadi has his own, GN has his own, Fatollazadeh has his own, Parvin has his own...and on we go.

The thing you have to beware is when one party, which is not close to being an angel is trying to make another look even worse, due the opportune timing.

It's akin to Bush/USA rallying the troops against Saddam/Iraq after the 9/11 attacks. USA is one of the worst human rights violators on the planet, yet after the attacks - the event that caused such support without question - the people mandated these atrocious happenings now. Why? Because Saddam/Iraq were bad, they were a threat.

Gool nakhor aziz, they're all snakes trying to eat each other. The Media in the middle is the arms dealer. They sell arms and a way to attack the other.

Kaiser Amir
07-29-2007, 07:39 PM
I saw this in terview of him and this is basically what he had to say about Ghalenoyee ;)

He is good coach and he knows his stuff. His coaching team and himself worked hard to defend the reputation of Iran's soccer.
News papaers and reporter should not blindly critisize them and should look for the root causes such as the games we played before the tournoment and ...
Interesting ;)

Dear Shahinc,

In case you don't trust what I have TRANSLATED from ALI DAEI's interview about Amir Ghalenoei, you can click on the link I've provided in my first post under this thread and actually LISTEN to ALI DAEI's interview.

Trust me, you can see the EXACT WORDS I've translated coming out of his mouth ;)


Dear Babak,

The only level that can define Ghalenoei and his supporters is BI HAME CHIZ as we say it Farsi.

These people have NOTHING.
Na khejalat, na sherafat, na esalat...HICHI!

They'll go out of their ways claiming BLACK IS WHITE just to serve their OWN DIRTY INTERESTS.

In the past year, Amir Ghalenoei has DESTORYED Iran's football at two different levels: club and country.

Now, its time for him to go!

Oftadeh
07-30-2007, 07:31 AM
Babak jaan, kheili khoshbini ya gom. There won't be a clean IFF or group to lead us. I can tell you first hand, with the Dadkans, Mostafavis, Farahinis, it's the 'same shit, different smell' - to quote Eslam Shams.

Every group has their own gangs and their own preferences. Daei has his own, AliAbadi has his own, GN has his own, Fatollazadeh has his own, Parvin has his own...and on we go.

The thing you have to beware is when one party, which is not close to being an angel is trying to make another look even worse, due the opportune timing.

It's akin to Bush/USA rallying the troops against Saddam/Iraq after the 9/11 attacks. USA is one of the worst human rights violators on the planet, yet after the attacks - the event that caused such support without question - the people mandated these atrocious happenings now. Why? Because Saddam/Iraq were bad, they were a threat.

Gool nakhor aziz, they're all snakes trying to eat each other. The Media in the middle is the arms dealer. They sell arms and a way to attack the other.

Kaz, what you say sounds so true, but if you localise the matter to Iran at this AFC, we were in a position to do extremely well, given some wise decisions by the coach. GN failed miserably, fundamentally because he is crap as a coach, if he wasn't he would have not kept Khatibi in, changed the goalkeeper etc, etc.

Someone in today's Iranvarzeshi was quoted saying:
"Ghalenoi does not know that he doesn't know."

So true...

Keano
07-30-2007, 01:52 PM
"Ghalenoi does not know that he doesn't know."

Or perhaps:

"Galenoei is clueless of why & How he is clueless" :D

Shahinc
07-30-2007, 02:08 PM
Dear Shahinc,

In case you don't trust what I have TRANSLATED from ALI DAEI's interview about Amir Ghalenoei, you can click on the link I've provided in my first post under this thread and actually LISTEN to ALI DAEI's interview.

Trust me, you can see the EXACT WORDS I've translated coming out of his mouth ;)

!

Amir Jan,
I did not say that you did not translate his interview right or wrong. I was just pointing out to another interview in whcih Daie praise the coachs and said the problem is from some where else.

Babak Jan
You are 100% correct but there is no point to go there :)

Sherwin
07-30-2007, 07:42 PM
Good job Amir jaan.

romario187
07-30-2007, 08:50 PM
Is this really an indepth article that belongs to In-Depth Discussion Forum (No offense to Kaiser Amir)? I thought the point of this forum was to debate and discuss high end articles editorials, and not just posts!

This is simply a post by Amir, and if he were to write an article, with real points and facts then it should be moved here. This thread is simply referring to an interview and nothing more.

Just my two cents.

IK COP
07-30-2007, 08:58 PM
The function of IDFD forum has changed.

We move any popular and worthy thread from Iran football forum to IDFD forum. This is to avoid these threads to sink to second page by kids who like to post one liners or threads to cheer TM etc.

footballdxb
07-31-2007, 04:26 AM
The function of IDFD forum has changed.

We move any popular and worthy thread from Iran football forum to IDFD forum. This is to avoid these threads to sink to second page by kids who like to post one liners or threads to cheer TM etc.
One of the best decisions ever! Thanks.

Forza Iran

Kaz
07-31-2007, 05:08 AM
Kaz, what you say sounds so true, but if you localise the matter to Iran at this AFC, we were in a position to do extremely well, given some wise decisions by the coach. GN failed miserably, fundamentally because he is crap as a coach, if he wasn't he would have not kept Khatibi in, changed the goalkeeper etc, etc.

Someone in today's Iranvarzeshi was quoted saying:
"Ghalenoi does not know that he doesn't know."
So true...

Ironically, it was said by the person who came to replace a successful GN heading to coach Esteghlal. Same person was shown the door at this club, just a little while after ;).

And, I think GN made 1-2 mistakes, which cost us the game against S.Korea. But he was a good coach and a talented one. His inexperience was his let-down. We outplayed every team we faced and were never dominated. One cannot say that for our last campaign, even though we did go 1 game further. No, we should have beaten S.Korea, but it was a shame for both us and GN that it did not happen. Because now, we're playing the blame game...for the sake of blame and not for any real critique.

Hamid_Blue
07-31-2007, 09:49 AM
Ironically, it was said by the person who came to replace a successful GN heading to coach Esteghlal. Same person was shown the door at this club, just a little while after ;).

And, I think GN made 1-2 mistakes, which cost us the game against S.Korea. But he was a good coach and a talented one. His inexperience was his let-down. We outplayed every team we faced and were never dominated. One cannot say that for our last campaign, even though we did go 1 game further. No, we should have beaten S.Korea, but it was a shame for both us and GN that it did not happen. Because now, we're playing the blame game...for the sake of blame and not for any real critique.

Kaz jan ... although I did not agree with your previous assessments of AC, I fully agree with your comments above.

GN made mistakes as any coach would do. But he was caught in a stage much bigger than he had experienced before.

SKorea did not dominate us but if you take away 2-3 incidents, the game was very even. This SKorean team relied on long ball. When the game started and I saw 3 slow defenders, I knew we were trying to be conservative. At the same time, I hoped this is just like previous 3 games, and we will change out tactics in the 2nd half. If we would have started with Kaabi instead of Nosrati, we could have reduced the field (distance between defensive line and attackers). This is very comparable to how we played against China in 2004. We were very conservative.

Oftadeh
07-31-2007, 02:25 PM
Because now, we're playing the blame game...for the sake of blame and not for any real critique.

Again, your comments are true, except the above. I have seen blame on this forum, but also plenty of critique, with specific mistakes being discussed. The problem is GN does not seem to want to admit to them and accept that he was out of his depth - otherwise he would have made better decisions when it really counted. This in turn will inflame the blame. :D

Kaz
07-31-2007, 08:28 PM
Again, your comments are true, except the above. I have seen blame on this forum, but also plenty of critique, with specific mistakes being discussed. The problem is GN does not seem to want to admit to them and accept that he was out of his depth - otherwise he would have made better decisions when it really counted. This in turn will inflame the blame. :D

Maybe you're right, but it depends who you're quoting. If you want direct answers from GN himself, I suggest you watch 90. He goes in much detail to stress his reasonings.

But thinking about it, even on that show, the interviewers were more interested in getting an apology from GN than getting his reasonings. You can clearly see how cornered the poor man has become. Unfortunately, as aforesaid, inexperience and the lack of political savvy to handle the situation is making him an easy target.

Also, I wasn't really talking about the forum at all, mostly the football media at large. The forums have given parallel examples too, however. Anyone can give a criticism of 'if' and 'why' but do not care for GN's response. In the interview, he is mostly reasonable with all his assertions. I, for one, cannot fault him so much. Obviously, he is not the perfect coach, but he is far from what he is being made out to be. Unfortunately, people do not realise that the precedent we keep setting after each undesirable performance is going to be followed when the next coach is sitting in the hot seat. There seems a big move in undermining the coach, and what worse, by his colleagues. You don't hear so much of this in the Western Media. But such clashes are a daily thing in Iran. They make it out to be "Days of Our Lives".

rsedighi
09-06-2007, 01:41 AM
He will always be the king.

Kian
04-22-2008, 07:51 PM
Ironically, it was said by the person who came to replace a successful GN heading to coach Esteghlal. Same person was shown the door at this club, just a little while after ;).

And, I think GN made 1-2 mistakes, which cost us the game against S.Korea. But he was a good coach and a talented one. His inexperience was his let-down. We outplayed every team we faced and were never dominated. One cannot say that for our last campaign, even though we did go 1 game further. No, we should have beaten S.Korea, but it was a shame for both us and GN that it did not happen. Because now, we're playing the blame game...for the sake of blame and not for any real critique.

So Kaz,

Let me get this straight, GN does not have any formal education in coaching. He is also inexperienced according to you, what in god's name then qualifies him as a 'good' coach?

The real reason I'm responding to this thread is that Ali Daei is now the head coach. It's time to see whether or not he is a believer of the saying : Gar to behtar mizani , bestaan bezan!

Kaz
06-22-2008, 02:36 PM
So Kaz,

Let me get this straight, GN does not have any formal education in coaching. He is also inexperienced according to you, what in god's name then qualifies him as a 'good' coach?

The real reason I'm responding to this thread is that Ali Daei is now the head coach. It's time to see whether or not he is a believer of the saying : Gar to behtar mizani , bestaan bezan!

GN was under Christoph Daum's tutelage in Leverkusen and is a regular in coaching clinics.

His inexperience (which I referred to) was due to his match-game experience - or lack of it. If that makes sense. You can only know so much studying something; practice of that field will make you a better skilled individual.

I think he is a very knowledgeable coach who is willing to better himself by studying more and making changes but being the head coach of Iran is a big ask. You have to know how to talk to people, talk to the media, pick your players and be politically astute. You have to know that TM is the people's team and it is a much different ball of wax to coaching a club.

Maybe with a few more medals, cups and grey hairs he will earn a spot on the TM bench again.